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		<title>Ivory Coast&#8230;&#8230;..Thabo Mbeki to the rescue lol!</title>
		<link>http://www.3rdliberation.com/2010/12/05/thabo-mbeki-and-disputed-elections/</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Dec 2010 23:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Musavengana Mhuri</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Alassane Ouattara]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why why why, if the people of Ivory Coast think they have it bad the worst is still to come, Thabo Mbeki is in Cote d&#8217;Ivoire to meditate the problem away to mediate between Laurent Gbagbo and his rival Alassane Outtara, who are each claiming the presidency. Gbagbo has done a &#8220;Mugabe&#8221; and has refused [...]]]></description>
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<p>Why why why, if the people of Ivory Coast think they have it bad the worst is still to come, Thabo Mbeki is in Cote d&#8217;Ivoire<del datetime="2010-12-05T21:07:12+00:00"> to meditate the problem away</del> to mediate between Laurent Gbagbo and his rival Alassane Outtara, who are each <a href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/67d5814c-009f-11e0-aa29-00144feab49a.html#axzz17HXCAIod" target="_blank">claiming</a> the presidency. Gbagbo has done a <em>&#8220;Mugabe&#8221;</em> and has refused to vacate the presidency. Africa is a huge continent with millions of people and the minute two politicians disagree on an election matter the African Union (AU) sends in Thabo Mbeki. Why Thabo Mbeki? Because this man resume speaks for itself when it comes to forming coalition govts and messing up a country he is the right man for the job.<br />
Those of you who have been here before know how much love I have for this excuse of a politician. Thabo Mbeki is partly to blame for all the problems Zimbabwe is going through right now thanks to his mediating between Robert Mugabe and Morgan Tsvangirai which resulted in the formation of the current useless Coalition govt in Zimbabwe and now this man has been given another chance to replicate this diabolic nonsense in Ivory Coast.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">I might be a bit biased but hey it&#8217;s my blog Mbeki was fired for for his political conspiracy to frame another useless mediator Jacob Zuma and his failed mediation in the Zimbabwe Crisis, the AU can do better.</p>
<h3 style="text-align: center;"><em>Ivorians be scared be very scared.</em></h3>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Africa has a bunch of people who are capable of handling this situation and Thabo Mbeki should be the last person to be tasked with this. Ouattara has already been endorsed by the UN and neighbouring countries and should turn down any shiffty deals Mbeki offers him something the former South African President is good at.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Coalition governemnts do not work in Africa, they just prolong the current problems it&#8217;s hight time African leaders learnt to congratulate the winner have a beer and move on.</p>
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		<title>A New Chapter for South Africa</title>
		<link>http://www.3rdliberation.com/2009/05/13/a-new-chapter-for-south-africa/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 12:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Musavengana Mhuri</dc:creator>
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		<category><![CDATA[Jacob Zuma]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jacob Zuma was recently inaugurated as the new President of South Africa, I have to be the first to admit that until recently I wasn&#8217;t a big fan of the man. Nothing to do with the recent court cases, I had lost support and admiration of anything old (or should i say from the Old [...]]]></description>
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		</p><p style="text-align: justify;"><a href="http://www.3rdliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/flag_of_south_africa11.png"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1000" title="flag_of_south_africa" src="http://www.3rdliberation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/flag_of_south_africa11.png" alt="" width="288" height="192" /></a>Jacob Zuma was recently inaugurated as the new President of South Africa, I have to be the first to admit that until recently I wasn&#8217;t a big fan of the man. Nothing to do with the recent court cases, I had lost support and admiration of anything old <em>(or should i say from the Old School)</em> in African politics as it always results in one thing.<br />
As all Politicians do he has come heavily laden with promises, but what I admired about Mr Zuma is his looking further than his domestic policy as a start and amongst others relaxing immigration laws to allow Zimbabweans more of a free passage allowing them in and out of his country enabling them to work and sustain a living. Hopefully this will benefit both economies and bring an end to human trafficing between the two nations and the ill treatment of Zimbabweans south of the Limpopo.</p>
<p style="text-align: justify;">Besides the smiles, hugs and kisses at his inauguration we all know that Mr Zuma is no fan of the Zimbabwean President and has been openly critical of him and we hope he keeps it that way as Thabo Mbeki only made things worse for Zimbabweans <em>(dont get me started on Mr. Mbeki, previous posts are detailed enough).</em></p>
<p>Good Luck to Mr Zuma I hope you will do good for those who gave that job and turnout like some African Leaders. The people of  South Africa all over the world<em> (yes even those overseas and neighbouring countries were allowed to vote) </em>democratically chose their leader if only this happened in all African countries Africa will be a much better place.</p>
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		<title>The Struggle Continues&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 13:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Morgan Tsvangirai has recently written to Mr Mbeki expressing his concerns over the support Mr Mbeki has shown to the currernt Presient of Zimbabwe and I say to him has he forgotten how these issues are dealt with in African Politics. Two lessons &#8220;Prime Minister&#8221; Tsvangirai has got to learn quick;   1. Politics is [...]]]></description>
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<p>Morgan Tsvangirai has recently written to Mr Mbeki expressing his concerns over the support Mr Mbeki has shown to the currernt Presient of Zimbabwe and I say to him has he forgotten how these issues are dealt with in African Politics. Two lessons &#8220;Prime Minister&#8221; Tsvangirai has got to learn quick;</p>
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<p style="text-align:justify;">1. Politics is a dirty Game</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">2. Mr Thabo Mbeki is indebted to Mr Robert Mugabe <em>(a bit of history there The name Govan Mbeki comes to mind)</em></p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mr Mbeki took his sweet time to react to the plight of the Zimbabwean people, the whole time Mugabe and ZANU PF were destroying the country he did not seem bothered as his country was benefiting at the time, so with this in mind why would Mr Tsvangirai think that Mr Mbeki was going to deliver him Zimbabwe or half of Mugabe&#8217;s Powers. I have prevously pointed out that Mr Tsvangirai&#8217;s hunger for power clouded his own judgement he took no precations and went into this with his eye closed. Did he seriously think Thabo Mbeki was going to play fair, this is how Mugabe works. I would not even have allowed Mr Mbeki to listen in own the &#8220;Power-Sharing&#8221; discussions let alone have him chair the whole negotiations. It was doomed from the begining and the Prime Minister is partly to blame.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Mugabe has been in Power for 28 years not because of his love for free and fair elections or his Power-sharing skills, he has been in Power all these years because Mugabe and ZANU will ot let anyone else Govern the country even if that calls for stepping on peoples toes. The Prime Minister has accused the President of Power grabbing by holding onto the key Ministries such as Foreign Affairs, Local Government, Defence and Home Affairs and I say he right to moan about these, But take stand back the minute you hand one of these ministiries over to the opposition  handing over some of your Power and do you see Mugabe doing that&#8230;..NO</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">To you Prime Minister I say there are reasons why Mugabe agreed to this deal with Mbeki involved and before signing you should have asked yourself a number of questions. There are very few people in the world who have volunterily agreed to share power and I hate to say Robert Mugabe&#8217;s name is not going to be added onto this list. Your naivety torwards this whole issue has left me wondering, thinking &#8211; did you honestly think you were going to get a fair deal.</p>
<p style="text-align:justify;">Over the years Mugabe and ZANU PF have used these key ministries to further their own gains, using organisations such as the ZRP, instead of working for the people this organisation has been  under ZANU control for years. I can give a million reasons why MDC is not going to get the Ministry of Home Affairs, handing them over will be letting them in on the movements of the ZANU PF Party and that is not going to happen. These organisations have been working hand in hand with the Ruling Party for them to hand it over a lot restructuring will take place before this happens.</p>
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		<title>Good Bye Mr Mbeki</title>
		<link>http://www.3rdliberation.com/2008/09/25/good-bye-mr-mbeki/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 16:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dream has come true, Thabo Mbeki is packing his bags as I write this. Mbeki&#8217;s slimy dealings have caught up with him. Many of you will know that I am not his biggest fan as he sold us Zimbabweans for a very long time and only pulled out his finger when it was a [...]]]></description>
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		</p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0 0 10pt;">My dream has come true, Thabo Mbeki is packing his bags as I write this. Mbeki&#8217;s slimy dealings have caught up with him. Many of you will know that I am not his biggest fan as he sold us Zimbabweans for a very long time and only pulled out his finger when it was a bit late. His coward-self is back on the job market rejected by his own people. Now now people I had nothing to do with his departure but I have just chilled the champagne&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;This man took a back when all the trouble in Zimbabwe was brewing instead of intervening he decided to let go on. He only got of his arse when things were getting worse and the international community were amazed at his lack of support and intervention the so-called Quiet Diplomacy. He was was more worried about Robert Mugabe&#8217;s feelings than the welfare of Zimbabweans even his brother Moeletsi Mbeki does not agree with him.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0 0 10pt;">This is the man who once <span>rejected funds for anti-retrovirals and accused white people of using anti-retrovirals to harm black people. This </span><span>resulted in millions of premature Aids-related deaths which I am sure the people of South Africa did not agree with. These drugs could have helped millions of people.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;margin:0 0 10pt;">Good Luck in your next job Mr Mbeki (Which I am sure will NOT be on along the lines of Adviser, Moderator,or Leader)</p>
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		<title>Zimbabweans Learn a Lesson</title>
		<link>http://www.3rdliberation.com/2007/12/20/zimbabweans-learn-a-lesson/</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 19:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can’t a blame a man for trying, Thabo Mbeki saw this coming, Zuma amidst all the chaos ,corruption charges and a HIV story so ridiculous no self respecting man would have said out loud after thinking it, has come out tops. This was not a close, 60% voted for Zuma even after he told people he had [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p align="justify"><font size="3"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">You can’t a blame a man for trying, Thabo Mbeki saw this coming, Zuma amidst all the chaos ,corruption charges and a HIV story so ridiculous no self respecting man would have said out loud after thinking it, has come out tops. This was not a close, 60% voted for Zuma even after he told people he had washed AIDS off him after he had relations with a carrier. Mbeki, in my opinion, is one of those people born to be a deputy and that is just what he was meant to be, imagine if Nelson Mandela was greedy for power like you know who, then he would still be in his shadow. I almost feel sorry for him because he has to start looking in the classifieds or collect that pension but on the other hand, everything was handed to him and his main job was to look like he knew what he was doing and make a few changes here and there but he couldn&#8217;t even achieve that. People in South Africa have realized that despite being free, some of them still suffer in an economically progressing country. One of the main reasons Jacob Zuma is a favorite among the people is because of his charisma and the key role he played in the fight against apartheid. Poverty is still rife in South Africa hence the rise in crime and the AIDs figures, the gap between rich and poor is more evident than ever. The people need someone who can make this right not someone who just turns up at the office.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">My main problem with Mr. Mbeki as head of the most powerful Southern African State is his Policy on Zimbabwe or lack of. For many years he sat back and watched the neighboring country go down the drain despite the fact a man in his position could have helped the situation. Not too long ago Mr. Mbeki told BBC&#8217;s Hardtalk programme that time was running out for Zimbabwe and admitted that President Robert Mugabe had not listened to him during their repeated meetings his words were <em>“</em></span><b><span style="color:#990000;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><em>We&#8217;ve got to find a way of getting out of this crisis, it is critical</em></span></b><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><em>”.</em> Thabo Mbeki was the  only politician who could have prevented further tragedy in Zimbabwe but he let the situation deteriorate whilst preventing countries willing to help provide this much needed help, don’t get me wrong I&#8217;m sure there were/are areas he is very good at but I can tell you that it was not foreign policy. </span></span></font></p>
<p align="justify"><font size="3"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">There are 3 main reasons why Thabo Mbeki has adopted his quiet policy when it comes to Zimbabwe.</span></span></font></p>
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<div align="justify"><font size="3"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">The main one being skilled labour force, He is getting the cream of skilled and professional labour force from across the borders doctors, professors, lectures, teachers, engineers, business people etc without the hassle of educating and training them. His Universities are packed with Zimbabwean students who will eventually add to the growing wealth of human resources in South Africa. To be fair though who would give this away? he has been a bit selfish for the benefit of his own economy.</span></span></font></div>
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<div align="justify"><font size="3"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">Empty shelves have forced thousands <i>(who are not politically connected)</i> to flock to neighboring South Africa to shop for basic commodities. According to South African economists Zimbabwean shoppers are pumping billions into their economy and have not been deterred by the new heavy Customs and Excise</span><span style="font-size:8.5pt;color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">, </span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">now ask yourself if Zimbabwe’s economy was stable would SA be benefiting from this. There has been talk about illegal immigrants crossing over from Zimbabwe and settling in the bordering towns of South Africa but this is a small problem compared to the benefits South Africa is currently enjoying due to the chaos and the unstable economy.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span></span></font></div>
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<div align="justify"><font size="3"><span style="font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';">The 3rd reason why Thabo Mbeki is so soft when it comes to the Zimbabwe issue is because he is soft, he does not have the balls to tell Robert Mugabe and his government that they have crippled the country and are making Africa look bad. Trust me it’s easy Thabo next time you meet tell him, “<i>Bob you are getting on now and you are no longer fit to run the country give someone else a chance, maybe someone younger, a fresh mind that will restore Zimbabwe to the Great African Nation it used to be”. </i>And don’t just say it do something about it, the international community has looked upon you to make a difference but we are yet to see you pull your finger out.</span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> </span><span style="font-size:10pt;color:#444444;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;color:black;font-family:'Arial','sans-serif';"> Well, the lesson Zimbabweans should learn from the Mbeki/Zuma saga is that change is possible. Leaders come and go, if they are not up to the task, get them out .Mr. Mbeki was out of touch with his people and now he is on his way out. Robert should have left a long time ago and someone else should have stepped in to do the job, that my people is how democracy does and should work.</span><br />
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